In which I yell at Kelsey and he looks very afraid.

Even if that’s not exactly what happened. Because a picture is worth a thousand words, and this one seems to tell its own story.

But if you have lots of time, click “play” because we talked about story, and community, and writing the book Praying Upside Down. And, based on the length of the video, it seems we talked a lot. But it was fun for me—as long as I don’t have to watch or listen to myself. I hope you’ll enjoy it, too.